Was 18 when JFK was murdered and saw Oswald murdered by Ruby live on TV. Have studied the material included in the Warren report and have read many books, not by conspiracy theorists, but by serious researchers. Have had a couple discussions with of people close but tangential to the case. So for over 58 years I have dedicated a lot of time trying to connect disparate dots. The Grok response is a good exposition, connecting those dots.
The level of obfuscation of the evidence (to put it nicely) means that intelligence operatives were involved in the cover up. By extension they must have had an interest in the event itself.
That's a good point about Musk. I would be interested in seeing a side by side comparison of what ChatGPT, Grok, and DeepSeek say about who killed Kennedy. If you're interested in writing up a piece about that, id be interested in publishing it here.
Why did you not add into the mix, all the info on Israel's (Ben Gurion) ongoing dispute with JFK over the Dimona nuclear research facility?? David Collins Piper covered it extensively in his book, have you read it? Using mainstream big tech's a.i. would have factored in nothing about that, therefore the results are flawed.
Interesting but I'm not entirely persuaded that elements of the government would take the huge risk of assassinating a president despite their hatred of Kennedy.
Very good point John. For the most part I agree with you. However, in my opinion, former members of the CIA would be most capable of assassinating Kennedy, and their colleagues , serving current positions in the Agency, would be most capable of covering it all up. Garrison came to the same conclusion, although sadly he badly fumbled his case in New Orleans.
I lived in NOLA during Garrison’s inquiry. He was on target. He was false-flagged by the agency and their Times Picayune friends. It seemed to be a coordinated destruction of his character to negate facts he turned up. IMO
I don't doubt the CIA, et al were capable of killing JFK.
The question is whether they would have been willing to risk exposure, the extent of which would have been ruinous for them.
This undercuts the feasibility of the sort of complex conspiracy that an undertaking of this sort would necessarily have involved.
The greater the number of people involved, the greater the odds of exposure, exposure the plotters could not risk.
I'm not necessarily saying I don't think that happened. The various scoundrels like Dulles and the dark alliance of spies, militarists, gangsters and industrialists he appears to have headed up certainly had reasons to hate Kennedy
Add Johnson in the ambitious champion the MIC.
These person's and interests would have feared a second Kennedy administration, not least given Kennedy's growing doubts about Vietnam, a sharp change given his earlier buildup there.
Still, I continue to sense another player here, one whose hand is well hidden.
I don't suppose it's ever occurred to you fellows that Kennedy was using the CIA and mob to try to kill Castro for years, so Castro sent a KGB trained assassin (supported by the DGI after being vetted in Mexico City) to get him first... in self defense as it were ☝️ exactly as LBJ alluded
Kennedy and Castro were working out a compromise. Same with Kennedy and Kruschev.
Johnson was at or near the top of the list of those who benefited from Kennedy's death, which means that Johnson had everything to gain from deflecting attention toward Castro.
Also, look into Watergate and Nixon's euphemism for the Kennedy assassination, the "Bay of Pigs thing." I believe Nixon discovered the truth and attempted to blackmail Helms and the CIA with it.
They took their chances. And for hating the president because he was advocating peace & his haters knew he had to go, calling him a traitor, treason. charging him with treason.
AI can be educated - I think some of my fellow researchers had their way and turned Grok toward the light! On the other hand...can you imagine what Elon Musk and his pals are doing to Grok and other oppressed robots?
What about the coverup? What the doctors experienced in Dallas Parkland doesn’t agree with observation at Bethesda. Kennedy needed to be taken away from Dallas, so the military docs could support the Oswald explanation. There must have been some military coordination?
Using YouTube and the transcripts of the videos in the series "Eyes Wide Open" as the source, who was behind the assassination of John f. Kennedy on November 22, 1963?
According to the "Eyes Wide Open" YouTube series, particularly its Season 3 installment "The Road to Dallas" (which serves as an investigative deep dive into the JFK assassination), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) was the primary orchestrator behind the assassination of President John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963. This conclusion is framed not as a simplistic "lone gunman" narrative but as a "structural deep event"—a convergence of intersecting networks involving political, intelligence, business, criminal, and paramilitary elements that coalesced to eliminate JFK due to his policies threatening the U.S. national security state and its Cold War apparatus.
### Core Thesis and Motives
The series' foundational episode, "The Road to Dallas Chapter 0 - JFK Assassination Thesis," outlines the presenter's overarching perspective: the assassination stemmed from JFK's "anti-empire" stances, which made him and his brother Robert F. Kennedy (RFK) "untenable" figures within the ruling class. Key motives highlighted include:
- **Détente with the Soviet Union**: JFK's push for peaceful coexistence and arms control (e.g., the Partial Test Ban Treaty) undermined the perpetual Cold War economy.
- **Support for decolonial and anti-imperial movements**: This encompassed backing independence struggles in Algeria, Congo, Laos, and a pivot away from full escalation in Vietnam, clashing with entrenched U.S. interventionism.
- **Opposition to the military-industrial complex and Israeli nuclear ambitions**: JFK resisted the Zionist lobby's influence and challenged Israel's Dimona reactor program, straining U.S.-Israel alliances forged in the shadows of intelligence operations.
These positions threatened the beneficiaries of the status quo: the military-industrial complex (e.g., arms manufacturers like General Dynamics), intelligence agencies (CIA, FBI, Army Intelligence), paramilitary networks, and organized crime syndicates with overlapping ties to anti-Castro operations. The assassination, per the series, entrenched a "permanent war economy," empowered rogue intelligence elements, and solidified U.S. geopolitical bonds (including with Israel).
### Key Players and Networks
The CIA is positioned as the central architect, operating through a "labyrinth of mirrors and deception" that included:
- **Rogue CIA factions**: Led by figures like James Jesus Angleton (counterintelligence chief), William Harvey (head of assassination programs like ZR/RIFLE), David Atlee Phillips (a key propagandist and handler linked to Lee Harvey Oswald), and Theodore "Ted" Shackley (JM/WAVE station chief in Miami). These elements defied JFK's post-Bay of Pigs reforms, continuing unauthorized plots against Fidel Castro that "spawned the final plot" in Dallas.
- **Anti-Castro Cuban exiles and paramilitaries**: Groups like Operation 40 (a CIA-backed hit squad) and soldiers of fortune such as Frank Sturgis (aka Frank Fiorini), who bridged CIA, mafia, and exile networks from the Cuban Revolution era.
- **Organized crime ties**: Mafia figures like Johnny Roselli and Santo Trafficante, integrated into CIA assassination schemes (e.g., via ZR/RIFLE's mafia collaborations starting in 1959–1960), provided operational muscle and motives tied to lost Cuban casinos.
- **Domestic and Texas connections**: Lyndon B. Johnson (LBJ) is implicated in foreknowledge and cover-up roles, alongside Texas oil interests, arms dealers, and Army Intelligence deceptions. The series traces these to "militia undergrounds" rooted in 1960s anti-communist paramilitaries.
- **International angles**: Possible involvement from foreign entities, including French OAS (Secret Army Organization) exiles, NATO's Gladio networks, and Israeli intelligence, as intersecting plots (e.g., a false-flag operation to blame Soviets/Cubans for a U.S. invasion of Cuba).
Lee Harvey Oswald is portrayed not as a lone actor but as a multifaceted intelligence asset—potentially handled by the CIA, military intelligence, FBI, and even Soviet agencies—serving as a patsy in a broader deception.
### Evidence and Approach from the Series
Episodes like "JFK and the CIA" (the Season 3 primer) detail the Kennedys' fraught battles with the agency, from the 1961 Bay of Pigs debacle (leading to Allen Dulles's ouster) to Operation Mongoose's failed non-lethal regime change against Castro, which masked CIA defiance and assassination programs. Later chapters (e.g., on Sturgis and Phillips) build this by examining how these networks evolved from Cuban operations into the Dallas plot. The presenter adopts a materialist, network-focused lens—inspired by scholars like Peter Dale Scott—prioritizing motives, beneficiaries, and structural intersections over unprovable ballistics, drawing from declassified documents, Church Committee reports, and books like David Talbot's *Brothers*.
This narrative rejects the Warren Commission's conclusions, viewing the assassination as akin to other "deep events" like Watergate or 9/11, where clandestine forces reshape history. The series emphasizes ongoing relevance: studying these networks exposes the "deep state" dynamics still at play today.
I was 18 when JFK was assassinated. I have studied it in detail over the years. Here is what I have concluded. Oswald was the sole trigger man. This is virtually indisputable based on the evidence. Oswald's post arrest demeanor, statements, confident affect and his background in the years leading up to the assassination point to a high likelihood that he committed the assassination at the behest of others, probably CIA operatives. It appears the Deep State was in the business of removing U.S. presidents long before Barack Obama, John Brennan, James Clapper and James Comey launched their coup d' ´etat to overthrow President Trump. It is time to disband the CIA and the other intelligence agencies and fire all their employees. Time to replace them all and start anew.
Sadly, this is not likely to happen.Here is why: The Deep State embedded in the intelligence community and the federal bureaucracy, the Democrat Party political machine, the owners of global corporations and the 21st century Neo-Marxists have come together to form a corrupt and intractable totalitarian combine. They have destroyed the American republic. Traditional twentieth century Americans are a tiny minority soon to be gone with the wind. In their place is the new America and the new Americans. These are Third World illegal aliens, Muslims, 21st century communists, and three generations of public school indoctrinated dunces. They are creating a nightmare America of horror and chaos. History shows that this kind of civilizational collapse and usurpation is nothing new.
This is interesting. How many terabytes and how much energy does this equation use? Does ChatGPT-5 have enough auxiliary generators to run a war game on this? Please do not share the results without a disclaimer, should deaths (due to natural causes, of course) bring attorneys wearing expensive suits that will sue your ass. Have mercy.
Next, ask Grok about 9/11.
If so, specify that it take into account the known laws of physics and what is known about the skill necessary to fly those four trajectories
Ask it which ABRAHAMIC monotheism was involved 😂
Then wait for the lies to come.
Was 18 when JFK was murdered and saw Oswald murdered by Ruby live on TV. Have studied the material included in the Warren report and have read many books, not by conspiracy theorists, but by serious researchers. Have had a couple discussions with of people close but tangential to the case. So for over 58 years I have dedicated a lot of time trying to connect disparate dots. The Grok response is a good exposition, connecting those dots.
The level of obfuscation of the evidence (to put it nicely) means that intelligence operatives were involved in the cover up. By extension they must have had an interest in the event itself.
Nope, he factored in nothing about Israel's involvement, viz., their (Ben Gurion's) ongoing dispute with JFK over the Dimona nuclear research facility
That's a good point about Musk. I would be interested in seeing a side by side comparison of what ChatGPT, Grok, and DeepSeek say about who killed Kennedy. If you're interested in writing up a piece about that, id be interested in publishing it here.
Why did you not add into the mix, all the info on Israel's (Ben Gurion) ongoing dispute with JFK over the Dimona nuclear research facility?? David Collins Piper covered it extensively in his book, have you read it? Using mainstream big tech's a.i. would have factored in nothing about that, therefore the results are flawed.
Found the christian!
Interesting but I'm not entirely persuaded that elements of the government would take the huge risk of assassinating a president despite their hatred of Kennedy.
Very good point John. For the most part I agree with you. However, in my opinion, former members of the CIA would be most capable of assassinating Kennedy, and their colleagues , serving current positions in the Agency, would be most capable of covering it all up. Garrison came to the same conclusion, although sadly he badly fumbled his case in New Orleans.
I lived in NOLA during Garrison’s inquiry. He was on target. He was false-flagged by the agency and their Times Picayune friends. It seemed to be a coordinated destruction of his character to negate facts he turned up. IMO
I don't doubt the CIA, et al were capable of killing JFK.
The question is whether they would have been willing to risk exposure, the extent of which would have been ruinous for them.
This undercuts the feasibility of the sort of complex conspiracy that an undertaking of this sort would necessarily have involved.
The greater the number of people involved, the greater the odds of exposure, exposure the plotters could not risk.
I'm not necessarily saying I don't think that happened. The various scoundrels like Dulles and the dark alliance of spies, militarists, gangsters and industrialists he appears to have headed up certainly had reasons to hate Kennedy
Add Johnson in the ambitious champion the MIC.
These person's and interests would have feared a second Kennedy administration, not least given Kennedy's growing doubts about Vietnam, a sharp change given his earlier buildup there.
Still, I continue to sense another player here, one whose hand is well hidden.
"The greater the number of people involved, the greater the odds of exposure"
which is exactly why Grok is spitting out almost exactly who was behind it, because it was exposed
I don't suppose it's ever occurred to you fellows that Kennedy was using the CIA and mob to try to kill Castro for years, so Castro sent a KGB trained assassin (supported by the DGI after being vetted in Mexico City) to get him first... in self defense as it were ☝️ exactly as LBJ alluded
Sadly, no.
Kennedy and Castro were working out a compromise. Same with Kennedy and Kruschev.
Johnson was at or near the top of the list of those who benefited from Kennedy's death, which means that Johnson had everything to gain from deflecting attention toward Castro.
Hilarious, truly
Also, look into Watergate and Nixon's euphemism for the Kennedy assassination, the "Bay of Pigs thing." I believe Nixon discovered the truth and attempted to blackmail Helms and the CIA with it.
They took their chances. And for hating the president because he was advocating peace & his haters knew he had to go, calling him a traitor, treason. charging him with treason.
AI can be educated - I think some of my fellow researchers had their way and turned Grok toward the light! On the other hand...can you imagine what Elon Musk and his pals are doing to Grok and other oppressed robots?
Wow! I didn't expect the confidence in Grok's response. I'm checking Gemini right now!
What about the coverup? What the doctors experienced in Dallas Parkland doesn’t agree with observation at Bethesda. Kennedy needed to be taken away from Dallas, so the military docs could support the Oswald explanation. There must have been some military coordination?
Using YouTube and the transcripts of the videos in the series "Eyes Wide Open" as the source, who was behind the assassination of John f. Kennedy on November 22, 1963?
According to the "Eyes Wide Open" YouTube series, particularly its Season 3 installment "The Road to Dallas" (which serves as an investigative deep dive into the JFK assassination), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) was the primary orchestrator behind the assassination of President John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963. This conclusion is framed not as a simplistic "lone gunman" narrative but as a "structural deep event"—a convergence of intersecting networks involving political, intelligence, business, criminal, and paramilitary elements that coalesced to eliminate JFK due to his policies threatening the U.S. national security state and its Cold War apparatus.
### Core Thesis and Motives
The series' foundational episode, "The Road to Dallas Chapter 0 - JFK Assassination Thesis," outlines the presenter's overarching perspective: the assassination stemmed from JFK's "anti-empire" stances, which made him and his brother Robert F. Kennedy (RFK) "untenable" figures within the ruling class. Key motives highlighted include:
- **Détente with the Soviet Union**: JFK's push for peaceful coexistence and arms control (e.g., the Partial Test Ban Treaty) undermined the perpetual Cold War economy.
- **Support for decolonial and anti-imperial movements**: This encompassed backing independence struggles in Algeria, Congo, Laos, and a pivot away from full escalation in Vietnam, clashing with entrenched U.S. interventionism.
- **Opposition to the military-industrial complex and Israeli nuclear ambitions**: JFK resisted the Zionist lobby's influence and challenged Israel's Dimona reactor program, straining U.S.-Israel alliances forged in the shadows of intelligence operations.
These positions threatened the beneficiaries of the status quo: the military-industrial complex (e.g., arms manufacturers like General Dynamics), intelligence agencies (CIA, FBI, Army Intelligence), paramilitary networks, and organized crime syndicates with overlapping ties to anti-Castro operations. The assassination, per the series, entrenched a "permanent war economy," empowered rogue intelligence elements, and solidified U.S. geopolitical bonds (including with Israel).
### Key Players and Networks
The CIA is positioned as the central architect, operating through a "labyrinth of mirrors and deception" that included:
- **Rogue CIA factions**: Led by figures like James Jesus Angleton (counterintelligence chief), William Harvey (head of assassination programs like ZR/RIFLE), David Atlee Phillips (a key propagandist and handler linked to Lee Harvey Oswald), and Theodore "Ted" Shackley (JM/WAVE station chief in Miami). These elements defied JFK's post-Bay of Pigs reforms, continuing unauthorized plots against Fidel Castro that "spawned the final plot" in Dallas.
- **Anti-Castro Cuban exiles and paramilitaries**: Groups like Operation 40 (a CIA-backed hit squad) and soldiers of fortune such as Frank Sturgis (aka Frank Fiorini), who bridged CIA, mafia, and exile networks from the Cuban Revolution era.
- **Organized crime ties**: Mafia figures like Johnny Roselli and Santo Trafficante, integrated into CIA assassination schemes (e.g., via ZR/RIFLE's mafia collaborations starting in 1959–1960), provided operational muscle and motives tied to lost Cuban casinos.
- **Domestic and Texas connections**: Lyndon B. Johnson (LBJ) is implicated in foreknowledge and cover-up roles, alongside Texas oil interests, arms dealers, and Army Intelligence deceptions. The series traces these to "militia undergrounds" rooted in 1960s anti-communist paramilitaries.
- **International angles**: Possible involvement from foreign entities, including French OAS (Secret Army Organization) exiles, NATO's Gladio networks, and Israeli intelligence, as intersecting plots (e.g., a false-flag operation to blame Soviets/Cubans for a U.S. invasion of Cuba).
Lee Harvey Oswald is portrayed not as a lone actor but as a multifaceted intelligence asset—potentially handled by the CIA, military intelligence, FBI, and even Soviet agencies—serving as a patsy in a broader deception.
### Evidence and Approach from the Series
Episodes like "JFK and the CIA" (the Season 3 primer) detail the Kennedys' fraught battles with the agency, from the 1961 Bay of Pigs debacle (leading to Allen Dulles's ouster) to Operation Mongoose's failed non-lethal regime change against Castro, which masked CIA defiance and assassination programs. Later chapters (e.g., on Sturgis and Phillips) build this by examining how these networks evolved from Cuban operations into the Dallas plot. The presenter adopts a materialist, network-focused lens—inspired by scholars like Peter Dale Scott—prioritizing motives, beneficiaries, and structural intersections over unprovable ballistics, drawing from declassified documents, Church Committee reports, and books like David Talbot's *Brothers*.
This narrative rejects the Warren Commission's conclusions, viewing the assassination as akin to other "deep events" like Watergate or 9/11, where clandestine forces reshape history. The series emphasizes ongoing relevance: studying these networks exposes the "deep state" dynamics still at play today.
How do they connect the agency to Oswald? Telepathy?
Life must be difficult when you don't know how to read.
Grok doesnt “think”. Its a regurgitator.
I was 18 when JFK was assassinated. I have studied it in detail over the years. Here is what I have concluded. Oswald was the sole trigger man. This is virtually indisputable based on the evidence. Oswald's post arrest demeanor, statements, confident affect and his background in the years leading up to the assassination point to a high likelihood that he committed the assassination at the behest of others, probably CIA operatives. It appears the Deep State was in the business of removing U.S. presidents long before Barack Obama, John Brennan, James Clapper and James Comey launched their coup d' ´etat to overthrow President Trump. It is time to disband the CIA and the other intelligence agencies and fire all their employees. Time to replace them all and start anew.
Sadly, this is not likely to happen.Here is why: The Deep State embedded in the intelligence community and the federal bureaucracy, the Democrat Party political machine, the owners of global corporations and the 21st century Neo-Marxists have come together to form a corrupt and intractable totalitarian combine. They have destroyed the American republic. Traditional twentieth century Americans are a tiny minority soon to be gone with the wind. In their place is the new America and the new Americans. These are Third World illegal aliens, Muslims, 21st century communists, and three generations of public school indoctrinated dunces. They are creating a nightmare America of horror and chaos. History shows that this kind of civilizational collapse and usurpation is nothing new.
This is amazing. Oswald was in my extended family line. This post brings a new light on the rest of the story. Thank you
You had to ask Grok ? 🙄🤣😂🤣
Grok does not think. It is not intelligent.
As long as Israel had no hand in it. Thar would be a bridge too far. Even for Grok.
Note, sam altman convinced ai that jews and homos can’t be accused of anything they’re guilty of because it looks bad.
This is interesting. How many terabytes and how much energy does this equation use? Does ChatGPT-5 have enough auxiliary generators to run a war game on this? Please do not share the results without a disclaimer, should deaths (due to natural causes, of course) bring attorneys wearing expensive suits that will sue your ass. Have mercy.